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The RTE Digital TV Switchover and a Xoro DTV-M5 Review

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I recently wrote about our switch away from Sky and on to Freesat and Saorview using the Ariva 120 Combo box. After initial success I can no longer recommend that box to anyone. It crashes constantly, it loses channels and its recording features are worse than agricultural. Actually, I’ve come to the conclusion that it must be faulty it’s that bad, so I’m returning for repair and will report back.

However, it it critically important that anyone who relies on their standard roof aerial to get RTE, TV3 etc knows what is happening on Dec 31st 2012. Whilst there have been Saorview flyers in the post and the Dept of Communications has put together this horror of a web-site, I have severe doubts that those whom it will affect most are even aware of the analogue TV shutdown. My biggest concern is that older people are the ones most likely to be still using non-digital TV and they simply won’t know that the switchover is happening.

I strongly recommend that if you know anyone who is not on Sky/UPC/etc and is still using a roof aerial to get their small set of channels, let them know they need to move to a digital receiver in the next 12 months. In fact they can move now, since the Saorview service is working really well.

Given the dire financial situation in the country, any extra cost on people is going to be a strain so I was thrilled when Barry from tvtrade.ie contacted me about the Xoro DTV-M5 Digital TV Receiver. He had read my review of the Ariva and wondered if I would review their inexpensive Xoro box for them. At €49 for a fully-functional Irish Terrestrial DTV box, of course I said yes. He shot me down a review unit for free a couple of days later and I’ve been beating it up for the past few weeks.

Short aside: I need to clarify the difference between “Saorview” and Irish DTT. You will see a lot of boxes on the market like the Xoro that are labelled Irish DTT or Irish Digital TV but which are not Saorview-certified. You shouldn’t worry about this in the slightest. Either the boxes obey the relevant standards that Saorview uses or they don’t. If they don’t, you simply return the box for a full refund. It’s a bit like saying your PC is certified to access the internet. That’s why we have Standards in the tech world. The key thing with Saorview is that the box can decode MPEG-4 video and can display the Programme Guide (EPG). The Xoro does both perfectly.

First the basics. The really nice thing about Saorview is that if you have an alright RTE aerial signal now, you literally unplug the aerial lead from the back of your TV, plug it into the Xoro box, plug a Scart or HDMI lead from the Xoro back to your TV and you should now be receiving RTE, TV3, TG4 and some other stations (not UK) in crystal clear digital. You also get a bunch of Irish radio stations in digital too. It really is that simple. In fact, even if you have a buzzy RTE signal, it’ll probably work perfectly and fuzz-free for Saorview.

Now on to the Xoro box itself. It’s tiny! I love getting neat units like this which can fit into the smallest nook or cranny. The front panel has just Power, Channnel+, Channel- and USB. I really wish all the box manufacturers would put the USB on the side or the back but most have it on the front. More on USB later.

This picture shows its size compared to an XBOX (excuse the messy cable setup, I moved it quickly between rooms last night so the kids could watch the Toy Show):

Usage is dead simple simple and the box goes from off to showing a TV programme in a couple of seconds. You can channel change up/down as you’d expect and Saorview has a 7-day Programme Guide, so you can see what’s coming-up on-screen. You can use Scart (for older TVs) or HDMI (for LCD/Plasma) to connect to the TV. It handles all the various picture resolutions up to 1080p but I’m pretty sure nothing on Saorview is at that high-res yet. There is teletext handling there too but as it’s not 1987, I didn’t bother check. The remote is fiddly compared to a Sky+ one but is fine and you get used to it in a few minutes.

Like all Irish DTT boxes, the TV channel list is as follows:

  • RTE One
  • RTE Two HD
  • TV3
  • TG4
  • 3e
  • RTE News Now
  • RTE Jr
  • RTE One +1
  • RTE Aertel

Radio is as follows:

  • RTE Radio 1
  • RTE 2fm
  • RTE Lyric fm
  • RTE Radio na Gaeltachta
  • RTE 2XM
  • RTE Choice
  • RTEjr
  • RTE Gold
  • RTE Pulse
  • RTE Radio 1 Extra

The bit that really impresses me with the Xoro is the USB/PVR. Basically you plug a portable USB harddisk into it and you now have the ability to pause/play/record/timer-record anything that is being broadcast. The overall setup is similar to Sky+ but obviously isn’t going to be as slick. Unlike the hell that is the Ariva 120, it all works really well including getting the programme name right (helllllo Ferguson, can you sort that out?).

I did have issues with one harddisk but it turns out that this is a very common problem. Harddisks of around 500GB capacity that are USB-powered struggle to get enough juice from many USB ports. In fact my troublesome one doesn’t work on any of my PC’s USB hubs either, I have to use a split-cable for it. The same split-cable trick worked on the Xoro. In general (not Xoro specific) you should either use a smaller less power-hungry HDD, which are hard to get, or use one that has it’s own power supply. Also these set-top-boxes prefer to format the harddrive themselves. It only takes a second.

If you have a bunch of media files (movies, tv, music), you can copy them onto the harddisk and the media player on the Xoro should be able to handle them no matter what the format. I tried an SD AVI, a 720p x264 MKV and a 1080p AVI and they all worked perfectly.

There’s not much more to say. It’s a very impressive piece of kit at a shockingly low price and no-one should have any hassle figuring out how to use it. If anyone asks me to recommend an Irish DTT box from now on, I’ll point them to the Xoro.

And please, let older relatives and neighbours know that the switchover is coming and they need to get a DTT box. In the UK they are doing information days and a travelling roadshow across the country to let people know. What are they doing here?

 

 

32 Comments

  1. Great review I have been thinking about Saorview a lot this week. Do you know if there are any concrete plans to expand the channel offering?

  2. Thanks Lenny. Good question. If they did a deal with BBC/ITV, it would put a huge dent in Sky and mean people wouldn’t need to get combo boxes.

  3. Lenny, not going to happen I’m afraid. The cost of TV shows to RTE is substantially less than to UK channels based on population size. A lot of the time, we actually get the shows first too. Take MOTD for example. What would anyone wait til 10.30 on a Sat night to watch when the could usually see it on RTE2 at 8pm. That’s probably not a great example cause there is no advertising on BBC but say PAN AM for example, RTE had this weeks ago, if this was on ITV or Channel 5 for example, they would go nuts. It would be the magic bullet solution though. Thanks for the review Conor.

  4. Regarding the Ariva there is firmware updates released now and then, they might fix your problems. That box is very new and cheap, and yet to be tried and tested, so avoiding for now is probably a good idea.

    Regarding your review some points I would like to make:

    If it does not say “Saorview” on the sticker there is no guarantee any future features such as “press the red button for more on this item” will work. It may work more or less but if it does work 100% then the manufacturer should get it checked and get the sticker. Without the sticker it’s not ideal. The supplier should take them back, but they may be gone bust in a year or two.

    It is also worth warning a terrestial only box will need a seperate box for BBC via satellite. Combo boxes are probably the future but none are certified yet. I am recommending people to hold off for a certified Sat and Terrestrial box. Anything non certified is a risk. There is nothing on Saorview worth rushing into buying boxes today.

    Regarding the Xoro in order for it to be a proper box suitable for real recording you need to be able to watch one program while recording another, At the moment there is only one multiplex but in the future there will be two. To record from one multiplex and watch another channel, which is on a another multiplex, then you need a box with two seperate terrestrial tuners. Both your review and the suppliers site do not answer this question. I know boxes that have everything are expensive but if someone is expecting to replace a box that can watch and record (such as Sky+) then they will be disapointed that most boxes on the market do not really record in the same way as people expect.

    We really need a box for the main sitting room in the house that gets all the free channels including BBC that works the same as Sky+ and then boxes for all the other rooms in the house that do everyting except record.

    In my opinion little boxes like this are no real use in the long term. They could re relegated to the “guest room” but no BBC is a show stopper for me.

    Another thing I recommend, aside from waiting for cheaper-better boxes to be launched, is to borrow a box from someone and just plug it into the aerial. If it works then you know your aerial and coverage is OK. If not you know you may have a problem in the future. In this case it’s worth consulting the coverage maps to see if you have any hope of getting a signal, and if so then a newer/better aerial may be solution.

    Suppliers are attempting to sell less than ideal boxes, before people realise they are not really what they need. Buyer beware.

  5. Thanks for the comments Dan,

    I’m well aware of the Ariva updates. None of them had any effect. My problems seem to be an order of magnitude worse than anything on the borads.ie thread which is why I think it’s faulty.

    I think you are missing the whole point of the review, TBH. As I made clear, this box is for people who currently get their TV on an aerial. Neither the vendor, nor I, made any claims about it being a Sky+ replacement. It obviously isn’t.

    Of course I’d love a dual-sat tuner, dual-dtt tuner kick-ass box with built-in HDD and full FreeSat and Saorview certification. But you are not going to get that for €49 any time soon.

    Your needs are probably similar to my own but are far beyond what anyone who watches RTE on an aerial needs.

  6. Conor,

    Have you found any way of playing back the recorded files on a PC after doing the Xoro firmware upgrade?

    This was no bother before the firmware upgrade [labelled as being for analogue teletext but actually including an alteration to the recorded file format]. After the firmware upgrade, none of my video file players or file format converters will recognise the recorded Xoro files as being video files. It was nice to have the flexibility to play them on the PC as well as the Xoro itself.

    • Same prob. Xoro format is Ts but written as Tsv. Tried to rename to TS (extension) and converted with Handbrake: seems to work……..

      • Martin,
        I just tried this but Handbrake v0.95 [WinXP] refused to open it. It just responded “Error. Your source may be copy-protected, badly mastered or in a format that Handbrake does not support.”
        Are you referring to a Xoro that you have put the firmware update on or not? Before the update the files can be edited by several applications. The problems come with the firmware update.
        If you have not done the firmware update then I’d advise you not to unless any problems you are experiencing are more significant for you than the onset of copy-protection.

        • Firmware ….537985825, not upgraded, and won’t either by the sounds of it. Can use handbrake or play on wd tv live player, but have to change the tsv extension to ts. Pure chance, xoro said the format was ts….

          • Martin,
            I’m glad we had this exchange then. I applied the firmware update & have never found a means of playing on my PC since then – TS option [video or audo recordings], PS Option [video recordings]. The only remaining PC-playable one is PS Option audio recordings [they are mp3 format].
            TVTrade.ie were actually pretty good about it; they said they had not tested PC playback as it was not a specified capability of the kit but they still offered to exchange the unit for a new non-upgraded one. Given the cost of the postage though [I'm now in England], I just bought an additional one – non-upgraded one for TV recording, upgraded one for radio recording with both available for playback of all recordings.

            [Conor - Have you heard anyone making noises about this year's June music festival at all?]

        • I’m always away for the Music Festival Weekend so I haven’t heard anything. If memory serves, they are now doing Twitter and Facebook?

  7. I haven’t run into that Graham. I’ll try it over the weekend and let you know how I get on.

  8. If you have already done the firmware upgrade then thanks, I’d like to solve the problem and you might find a way forward.
    BUT, if you have not already done the firmware upgarde then please don’t do it just for me as it is non-reversible so you’ll lose the previous ability to playback on your PC.

  9. In relation to new services. There are several proposed new Irish services. BBC, ITV and C4 won’t appear on Soarview but may appear on the commercial multiplexs, if/when it launches (2013???). ITV particularly won’t go FTA in Ireland just look at how UPC lost ITV2, 3 and 4 in 2011. However currently all plans are unlikely. Commercial Multiplexs will most likely be a Pay TV service. Sky and UPC pay allot to UK TV broadcasters for their channels, they will want to protect that.

  10. Thanks Éamonn. And of course then it’d have to be renamed NotReallySaor-View :-)

  11. You could look at it that way but “officially” it would be seen like so:- SaorView is the Public Service Free to Air Muxs run by RTÉ (I think RTÉ will have 3 muxs after ASO). The other muxs will be/may be provided to Commercial companies by the BAI, but it is unlikely that they will provide free services. SaorView will sit along side the commercial (pay) DTT service. So for example had Boxer (PayTV) taken of the ground we would have Saorview and Boxer(PayTV) on DTT.

    On a side note channels that may be added to Saorview are: – Irish Film Channel, Oireachatas TV, TV3+1, TG4+1, Cula4, TV3Kids, TV3Classics, Community TV, Chilli Hits, Irish TV (music TV), Radio RíRá, 1980s Radio and EasyFM. RTÉ 1 and TG4 are both legislated to go HD, while TV3 are expected to go HD. TV3HD most likely, the rest look very unlikely, anytime soon.

  12. Hi Conor,I live in Donegal and pick up all the uk stations on an mpeg 2 but not the Irish tv.Will this work for Uk and Ireland.Cheers Paddy

    • Paddy, I can confirm that this set works in the UK. I’m using it successfully in southern England.

      About UK-Éire digital TV standards
      1 A UK SD signal uses Mpeg2 video compression & DVB-T
      2 A UK HD signal uses Mpeg4 video compression & DVB-T2 [these are backwards compatible with Mpeg2 video compression & DVB-T so sets can also pick up UK SD signals]
      3 A SaorView signal uses Mpeg4 video compression & DVB-T plus mheg5 [version 6] middleware for digital teletext & future interactive services
      So – a UK HD box will work in Éire but will not be able to use digital teletext [or the future interactive services] as that requires mheg5. A UK SD box will not work in Éire. Conversely, a SaorView box will work in UK but will not pick up HD channels.

      Personally, I haven’t yet heard anyone confirm that the Xoro receives digital teletext correctly [but TVTrade's demo videos show it in use apparently correctly]. Perhaps Conor will comment. I’m just a bit suspicious because I’ve had a couple of warning signs up on one channel here [Dave Ja Vu] saying “Load mheg5″. [This warning appeared on a set with the firmware upgrade & on a set without the firmware upgrade]

      The only other problems I have found with the Xoro it are probably signal-strength issues –
      1 it hates BBC4 and will only start recording it manually not on the timer
      2 the EPG freezes if I cross over the ITV3 line – so I just check the other channels first then check ITV3 programmes on their own by tuning to that station then viewing that line of the EPG only [it's just crossing over it between ITV2 & ITV4 that freezes it, if I stay on ITV3 in the EPG it is happy]

      Please note the discussion about the firmware upgrade [29 Jan, above] if you want to play recordings on your PC.

      • Thanks Graham,will check this out.Ps i have got one of those mpeg4 .264 scart freeview and it seems to pick up Uk and Irish no bother, is this the same thing.It also records onto a usb drive.Take care Paddy.

        • Paddy,
          A freeview set that has mpeg4 and is therefore an HD Freeview set will pick up SaorView but will not get the digital teletext service i.e. teletext on RTÉ1, RTÉ2 [I believe that 3 & TG4 are still broadcasting analogue teletext as they have yet to complete the digital transformation - but I saw this comment months ago so they might have already changed]
          [H.264 is also, I believe, a reference to HD formats]

          • Paddy – I meant to add –
            Some “UK” sets also have the mpeg4 & mheg5 necessary to receive SaorView digital teletext but you’d have to check the equipment manual or any manufacturer’s support site to find out if it has mheg5.
            Just for example, I bought a new Standard Definition TV in England. It is not in Sony’s list of sets that will work correctly with SaorView but its specs include mpeg4 [but not mheg5] so when I move back to Dublin later on I’ll just have to find out if it works or not. Otherwise it will only be useful as a dumb monitor for recordings made on other equipment.

          • TG4, TV3 and 3e all continue to provide Analogue Teletext services. No information as to when they might change to Digital. I currently have a non-approved IdTV, one of the main problems I will have is that it will not auto-tune as new services appear, all Saorview approved IdTVs and STBs will auto-tune new services as they come on board. Or at least I have been told this is the case. I also assume when Saorview provide interactive services my non-approved TV may not work with those services, however I have access to Digital Aertel.

  13. Hi Paddy, I’d be confident it would work since it is DVB-T and MPEG-2 compliant for UK and MPEG-4 compliant for Ireland. Might be worth popping an email to them just to be 100% sure.

  14. Ok Conor Thanks,Paddy

  15. Paddy for combined UK Freeview, Saorview and Freeview HD a UK Freeview HD box is best. It will also get UK HD pictures and saorview. A Saorview box will not pick up UK HD.

  16. Thanks Conor and all for the posts, I have found them very useful.

  17. I have xoro DTV-M5 but find very hard to record and play back even fallowing
    the instruction booklet. Can you help please?
    Your review of the USB stick was great for me.
    Thank you
    TPR.TPR

  18. Hi TPR, Now we only use the Xoro for live viewing but I didn’t have any problems recording and playing back in the past. Just be sure the Hard-disk has its own power.

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