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		<title>By: Quentin Gargan</title>
		<link>http://conoroneill.com/2007/04/20/220-children-to-get-chest-x-rays/comment-page-1/#comment-66586</link>
		<dc:creator>Quentin Gargan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 15:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your view on homoeoapathy may be based on the assumption that we know everything there is to know about atoms, molecules and energy. But we don&#039;t even fully understand energy, magnetism or why electrons hang around protons. I do think it is conceivable that there are forms of energy that we simply don&#039;t understand - yet. But I&#039;m not taking any bets, &#039;cause it may not come out in my lifetime.

But you are quite right to ask whether interviews formed part of the placebo process - I don&#039;t knowin relation to the ones I presented, but here are a few where case-taking wasn&#039;t involved;

Reilly and colleagues have conducted a series of trials in patients with hay fever, asthma and perennial rhinitis. Patients were given skin tests and remedies were chosen on the basis of reactivity. This design allows individualisation whilst avoiding the issues of case-taking and the effect that this has on the process. The results demonstrate a significant difference between the placebo and homeopathic groups which is reproducible. 

Anon. Reilly’s challenge (editorial). Lancet 1994; 344: 1585. 
Reilly DT, Taylor MA. Potent placebo or potency? A proposed study model with initial findings using homoeopathically prepared pollens in hay fever as a model. British Homoeopathic Journal 1985; 74: 65-75. 
Reilly DT, Taylor MA, Campbell J, Beattie N, McSharry C, Aitchison T, Carter R, Stevenson R. Is evidence for homoeopathy reproducible? Lancet 1994; 334: 1601-1606. 
Reilly DT, Taylor MA, McSharry C, Aitchison T. Is homoeopathy a placebo response? Controlled trial of homoeopathic potency, with pollen in hay fever as a model. Lancet 1986; ii: 881-886. 
Taylor MA, Reilly D, Llewellyn-Jones RH, McSharry C, Aitchison T, Lancaster T, Vickers A. Randomised controlled trial of homeopathy versus placebo in perennial allergic rhinitis with overview of four trial series British Medical Journal 2000; 321: 471-476.

In a survey of 26 patients receiving homeopathic Arnica montana or placebo after face-lift operation, patients receiving homeopathic Arnica montana had statistically significant smaller areas of ecchymosis (bruising) after operation. 

Seeley BM, Denton AB, Ahn MS, Maas CS. Effect of Homeopathic Arnica montana on Bruising in Face-lifts. Results of a Randomized, Double-blind, Placebo-Controlled Clinical Trial. Arch Facial Plast Surg/Vol 8, Jan/Feb 2006.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your view on homoeoapathy may be based on the assumption that we know everything there is to know about atoms, molecules and energy. But we don&#8217;t even fully understand energy, magnetism or why electrons hang around protons. I do think it is conceivable that there are forms of energy that we simply don&#8217;t understand &#8211; yet. But I&#8217;m not taking any bets, &#8217;cause it may not come out in my lifetime.</p>
<p>But you are quite right to ask whether interviews formed part of the placebo process &#8211; I don&#8217;t knowin relation to the ones I presented, but here are a few where case-taking wasn&#8217;t involved;</p>
<p>Reilly and colleagues have conducted a series of trials in patients with hay fever, asthma and perennial rhinitis. Patients were given skin tests and remedies were chosen on the basis of reactivity. This design allows individualisation whilst avoiding the issues of case-taking and the effect that this has on the process. The results demonstrate a significant difference between the placebo and homeopathic groups which is reproducible. </p>
<p>Anon. Reilly’s challenge (editorial). Lancet 1994; 344: 1585.<br />
Reilly DT, Taylor MA. Potent placebo or potency? A proposed study model with initial findings using homoeopathically prepared pollens in hay fever as a model. British Homoeopathic Journal 1985; 74: 65-75.<br />
Reilly DT, Taylor MA, Campbell J, Beattie N, McSharry C, Aitchison T, Carter R, Stevenson R. Is evidence for homoeopathy reproducible? Lancet 1994; 334: 1601-1606.<br />
Reilly DT, Taylor MA, McSharry C, Aitchison T. Is homoeopathy a placebo response? Controlled trial of homoeopathic potency, with pollen in hay fever as a model. Lancet 1986; ii: 881-886.<br />
Taylor MA, Reilly D, Llewellyn-Jones RH, McSharry C, Aitchison T, Lancaster T, Vickers A. Randomised controlled trial of homeopathy versus placebo in perennial allergic rhinitis with overview of four trial series British Medical Journal 2000; 321: 471-476.</p>
<p>In a survey of 26 patients receiving homeopathic Arnica montana or placebo after face-lift operation, patients receiving homeopathic Arnica montana had statistically significant smaller areas of ecchymosis (bruising) after operation. </p>
<p>Seeley BM, Denton AB, Ahn MS, Maas CS. Effect of Homeopathic Arnica montana on Bruising in Face-lifts. Results of a Randomized, Double-blind, Placebo-Controlled Clinical Trial. Arch Facial Plast Surg/Vol 8, Jan/Feb 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: conor</title>
		<link>http://conoroneill.com/2007/04/20/220-children-to-get-chest-x-rays/comment-page-1/#comment-66580</link>
		<dc:creator>conor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 15:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting Quentin - however I would make a clear distinction between homoeopathy which claims to work based on an impossibility (zero molecules of active substance and &quot;memory of water&quot;) and herbal remedies which are fully accepted by science as having benefits in many cases.

The bit I&#039;d love to drill into (if I ever had the time) is the &quot;were given an individualised homoeopathic medicine or placebo&quot;. 

Was the same set interviewing/consultation process carried out in both cases with the &lt;strong&gt;only&lt;/strong&gt; difference being what was administered at the end or was it interview+pill vs placebo?

http://www.badscience.net/?cat=35</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting Quentin &#8211; however I would make a clear distinction between homoeopathy which claims to work based on an impossibility (zero molecules of active substance and &#8220;memory of water&#8221;) and herbal remedies which are fully accepted by science as having benefits in many cases.</p>
<p>The bit I&#8217;d love to drill into (if I ever had the time) is the &#8220;were given an individualised homoeopathic medicine or placebo&#8221;. </p>
<p>Was the same set interviewing/consultation process carried out in both cases with the <strong>only</strong> difference being what was administered at the end or was it interview+pill vs placebo?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.badscience.net/?cat=35" rel="nofollow">http://www.badscience.net/?cat=35</a></p>
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		<title>By: Quentin Gargan</title>
		<link>http://conoroneill.com/2007/04/20/220-children-to-get-chest-x-rays/comment-page-1/#comment-66506</link>
		<dc:creator>Quentin Gargan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 10:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conor, I&#039;m no expert in the area of homoeoapthy, but the following are some examples of randomised trials that showed favourable results. There are many more besides these. I wouldn&#039;t claim that you can treat every condition with homoeoapathy, but I wouldn&#039;t be quite as dismissive as you are...

There are also interesting trials on herbal medicines such as St. Johns Wort, Echincacea etc., and some of these herbs now have conventional medical licenses on the basis of such trials, but it is an expensive procedure for a product with no patent.


&quot;Treatment of acute childhood diarrhoea in Nicaragua&quot;
This trial involved 81 children aged from 6 months to 5 years in a randomised, double-blind trial of intravenous fluids plus placebo versus intravenous fluids plus homeopathic remedy individualised to the patient. The treatment group had a statistically significant decrease in duration of diarrhoea. 
Jacobs J. Treatment of acute childhood diarrhoea with homeopathic medicine: a randomized clinical trial in Nicaragua. Pediatrics 1994; 93: 719-725. 

&quot;Treatment of acute childhood diarrhoea, repeated in Nepal&quot; 
In a replication of a trial carried out in Nicaragua in 1994, 116 Nepalese children aged 6 months to 5 years suffering from diarrhoea were given an individualised homoeopathic medicine or placebo. Treatment by homoeopathy showed a significant improvement in the condition in comparison to placebo. 
Jacobs J., Jimenez M., Malthouse S., Chapman E., Crothers D., Masuk M., Jonas W.B., Acute Childhood Diarrhoea- A Replication., Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine, 6, 2000, 131-139.

&quot;Homeopathy versus conventional treatment in respiratory tract complaints&quot;
In an outcome study, 30 practitioners in four countries enrolled 500 consecutive patients with at least one of three complaints: upper respiratory tract complaints including allergies; lower respiratory tract complaints including allergies; or ear complaints. Of 456 patients, 281 received homeopathy and 175 conventional treatment. The primary outcome criterion was response to treatment, defined as cured or major improvement after 14 days of treatment. Results showed a response rate of 82.6% in the homeopathy group compared to 67.3% in the group receiving conventional medicine. The authors concluded that homeopathy appeared to be at least as effective as conventional treatment of patients with the three conditions studied. 
Riley D, Fischer M, Singh B, Haidvogl M, Heger M. Homeopathy and conventional medicine: an outcomes study comparing effectiveness in a primary care setting. J Altern Complement Med 2001; 7: 149–159.

&quot;Rheumatoid arthritis&quot; 
Forty-six patients with rheumatoid arthritis received an individualised remedy or placebo in a 3-month randomised trial. Both groups were allowed to continue standard anti-inflammatory drugs. After 3 months, the double-blind code was broken and remedies were given to members of the placebo group in a single crossover study. Articular index, limbering up time, grip strength and pain all showed statistically significant differences. 
Gibson RG, Gibson SLM, MacNeill AD, Buchanan WW Homeopathic therapy in rheumatoid arthritis: evaluation by double-blind clinical therapeutic trial. British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology 1980; 9: 453-459. 

&quot;Osteoarthritis&quot; 
In this trial, 65 sufferers of Osteoarthritis (OA) were split into 2 groups, and through a double blinding process were given either a homoeopathic medicine or Acetaminophen, a commonly prescribed drug for pain relief in OA. Researchers found that homoeopathy provided a level of pain relief that was superior to Acetaminophen, and produced no adverse reactions. 
Shealy C.N., Thomlinson P.R., Cox R.H., and Bormeyer V. Osteoarthritis Pain: A Comparison of 
Homoeopathy and Acetaminophen. American Journal of Pain Management, 8, 3, July 1998, 89-91.

&quot;ADHD&quot;
A randomised double blind placebo controlled crossover trial of 62 children showed significant improvement of visual global perception, impulsivity and divided attention (p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conor, I&#8217;m no expert in the area of homoeoapthy, but the following are some examples of randomised trials that showed favourable results. There are many more besides these. I wouldn&#8217;t claim that you can treat every condition with homoeoapathy, but I wouldn&#8217;t be quite as dismissive as you are&#8230;</p>
<p>There are also interesting trials on herbal medicines such as St. Johns Wort, Echincacea etc., and some of these herbs now have conventional medical licenses on the basis of such trials, but it is an expensive procedure for a product with no patent.</p>
<p>&#8220;Treatment of acute childhood diarrhoea in Nicaragua&#8221;<br />
This trial involved 81 children aged from 6 months to 5 years in a randomised, double-blind trial of intravenous fluids plus placebo versus intravenous fluids plus homeopathic remedy individualised to the patient. The treatment group had a statistically significant decrease in duration of diarrhoea.<br />
Jacobs J. Treatment of acute childhood diarrhoea with homeopathic medicine: a randomized clinical trial in Nicaragua. Pediatrics 1994; 93: 719-725. </p>
<p>&#8220;Treatment of acute childhood diarrhoea, repeated in Nepal&#8221;<br />
In a replication of a trial carried out in Nicaragua in 1994, 116 Nepalese children aged 6 months to 5 years suffering from diarrhoea were given an individualised homoeopathic medicine or placebo. Treatment by homoeopathy showed a significant improvement in the condition in comparison to placebo.<br />
Jacobs J., Jimenez M., Malthouse S., Chapman E., Crothers D., Masuk M., Jonas W.B., Acute Childhood Diarrhoea- A Replication., Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine, 6, 2000, 131-139.</p>
<p>&#8220;Homeopathy versus conventional treatment in respiratory tract complaints&#8221;<br />
In an outcome study, 30 practitioners in four countries enrolled 500 consecutive patients with at least one of three complaints: upper respiratory tract complaints including allergies; lower respiratory tract complaints including allergies; or ear complaints. Of 456 patients, 281 received homeopathy and 175 conventional treatment. The primary outcome criterion was response to treatment, defined as cured or major improvement after 14 days of treatment. Results showed a response rate of 82.6% in the homeopathy group compared to 67.3% in the group receiving conventional medicine. The authors concluded that homeopathy appeared to be at least as effective as conventional treatment of patients with the three conditions studied.<br />
Riley D, Fischer M, Singh B, Haidvogl M, Heger M. Homeopathy and conventional medicine: an outcomes study comparing effectiveness in a primary care setting. J Altern Complement Med 2001; 7: 149–159.</p>
<p>&#8220;Rheumatoid arthritis&#8221;<br />
Forty-six patients with rheumatoid arthritis received an individualised remedy or placebo in a 3-month randomised trial. Both groups were allowed to continue standard anti-inflammatory drugs. After 3 months, the double-blind code was broken and remedies were given to members of the placebo group in a single crossover study. Articular index, limbering up time, grip strength and pain all showed statistically significant differences.<br />
Gibson RG, Gibson SLM, MacNeill AD, Buchanan WW Homeopathic therapy in rheumatoid arthritis: evaluation by double-blind clinical therapeutic trial. British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology 1980; 9: 453-459. </p>
<p>&#8220;Osteoarthritis&#8221;<br />
In this trial, 65 sufferers of Osteoarthritis (OA) were split into 2 groups, and through a double blinding process were given either a homoeopathic medicine or Acetaminophen, a commonly prescribed drug for pain relief in OA. Researchers found that homoeopathy provided a level of pain relief that was superior to Acetaminophen, and produced no adverse reactions.<br />
Shealy C.N., Thomlinson P.R., Cox R.H., and Bormeyer V. Osteoarthritis Pain: A Comparison of<br />
Homoeopathy and Acetaminophen. American Journal of Pain Management, 8, 3, July 1998, 89-91.</p>
<p>&#8220;ADHD&#8221;<br />
A randomised double blind placebo controlled crossover trial of 62 children showed significant improvement of visual global perception, impulsivity and divided attention (p</p>
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		<title>By: shattered</title>
		<link>http://conoroneill.com/2007/04/20/220-children-to-get-chest-x-rays/comment-page-1/#comment-66100</link>
		<dc:creator>shattered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 14:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anne, im sure you would feel very differently if one of your children (god forbid) caught something nasty that could have been prevented with a simple vaccine. parents feel guilty enough about pretty much everything in their kids lives, dont burden us with mis-placed guilt about a few vaccinations. im all for herbal remedies for runny noses and colic but with deadly diseases i am taking no chances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anne, im sure you would feel very differently if one of your children (god forbid) caught something nasty that could have been prevented with a simple vaccine. parents feel guilty enough about pretty much everything in their kids lives, dont burden us with mis-placed guilt about a few vaccinations. im all for herbal remedies for runny noses and colic but with deadly diseases i am taking no chances.</p>
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		<title>By: conor</title>
		<link>http://conoroneill.com/2007/04/20/220-children-to-get-chest-x-rays/comment-page-1/#comment-65878</link>
		<dc:creator>conor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 20:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the story of H. Pylori utterly debunks the theories that &quot;Big Pharma&quot; and &quot;vested interests&quot; are the reasons behind the failure of alternative medicines to catch on. 

Through rigorous scientific research and test, it was proven that most serious stomach complaints are caused by a specific bacteria. So instead of spending hundreds of Euro each year on drugs like Zantac, you could have a one-off treatment of antibiotics and be cured for life. 

It took 10 years for this approach to become mainstream but now it is and it has knocked hundreds of millions of euro (if not more) in annual revenue out of many large drug companies. Homoeopathy has had 200 years and still can&#039;t achieve this.

Of course the response I got from a Homoeopath was &quot;ahh, but where does the bacteria come from? That&#039;s what we&#039;re all about&quot;. Yeh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the story of H. Pylori utterly debunks the theories that &#8220;Big Pharma&#8221; and &#8220;vested interests&#8221; are the reasons behind the failure of alternative medicines to catch on. </p>
<p>Through rigorous scientific research and test, it was proven that most serious stomach complaints are caused by a specific bacteria. So instead of spending hundreds of Euro each year on drugs like Zantac, you could have a one-off treatment of antibiotics and be cured for life. </p>
<p>It took 10 years for this approach to become mainstream but now it is and it has knocked hundreds of millions of euro (if not more) in annual revenue out of many large drug companies. Homoeopathy has had 200 years and still can&#8217;t achieve this.</p>
<p>Of course the response I got from a Homoeopath was &#8220;ahh, but where does the bacteria come from? That&#8217;s what we&#8217;re all about&#8221;. Yeh.</p>
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		<title>By: conor</title>
		<link>http://conoroneill.com/2007/04/20/220-children-to-get-chest-x-rays/comment-page-1/#comment-65877</link>
		<dc:creator>conor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 20:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quentin, if you could point me to proof of success in double-blind trials I&#039;d appreciate it. That has always been the core failing of most alternative medicine. 

I did a long post on it (and its failing double blind) in 2005 &lt;a href=&quot;http://conoroneill.com/2005/09/18/quack-quack-quack-homeopathy-doesnt-work-shocker/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;over here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quentin, if you could point me to proof of success in double-blind trials I&#8217;d appreciate it. That has always been the core failing of most alternative medicine. </p>
<p>I did a long post on it (and its failing double blind) in 2005 <a href="http://conoroneill.com/2005/09/18/quack-quack-quack-homeopathy-doesnt-work-shocker/" rel="nofollow">over here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Quentin Gargan</title>
		<link>http://conoroneill.com/2007/04/20/220-children-to-get-chest-x-rays/comment-page-1/#comment-65690</link>
		<dc:creator>Quentin Gargan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 00:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice piece on the Echo tonight about the BCG situation. 

Wouldn&#039;t be so hard on homoeoapathy. Double blind clinical trials have shown positive results so it isn&#039;t all placebo. The fact that we don&#039;t understand it doesn&#039;t necessarily mean that it doesn&#039;t work. But whether I would personally trust homoeopathic nosodes to prevent a life-threatening illness is one I&#039;d have to chew on a bit.

One of the reasons why so many &quot;alternative&quot; medicines don&#039;t get subjected to scrutiny is because they don&#039;t go for medical licenses. Why? Because they can&#039;t be patented, so no company is going to invest heavily in the research required. Pity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice piece on the Echo tonight about the BCG situation. </p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t be so hard on homoeoapathy. Double blind clinical trials have shown positive results so it isn&#8217;t all placebo. The fact that we don&#8217;t understand it doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that it doesn&#8217;t work. But whether I would personally trust homoeopathic nosodes to prevent a life-threatening illness is one I&#8217;d have to chew on a bit.</p>
<p>One of the reasons why so many &#8220;alternative&#8221; medicines don&#8217;t get subjected to scrutiny is because they don&#8217;t go for medical licenses. Why? Because they can&#8217;t be patented, so no company is going to invest heavily in the research required. Pity.</p>
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		<title>By: conor</title>
		<link>http://conoroneill.com/2007/04/20/220-children-to-get-chest-x-rays/comment-page-1/#comment-65531</link>
		<dc:creator>conor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 08:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne, vaccinations are not compulsory anywhere in Ireland. If you want to treat your child using sugar pills and water then that is your prerogative. Equally you could light a candle for them or shine coloured lights in their faces.

Homoeopathy has been around since the start of the 19th Century yet until the arrival of anti-biotic treatments and vaccinations in the 20th century, millions of people died from TB all over the world. In Europe, deaths from TB fell from 500 out of 100,000 in 1850 to 50 out of 100,000 by 1950. None of that fall was due to shaking vials of water diluted with water.

I highly recommend you read &lt;a href=&quot;http://taint.org/2007/04/10/134819a.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a discussion over on Justin Mason&#039;s blog&lt;/a&gt; where the nuts and bolts of vaccination is discussed in the context of Patricia McKenna&#039;s recent radio appearance.

One loon in that discussion pointed us over to a site which dismisses BCG but is associated with a man who claims that homoeopathy cures autism. Despicable people.

I&#039;d be interested to see what &quot;cures&quot; and &quot;preventions&quot; your local homoeopath would come up with for:

    * Mumps (encephalitis, meningitis, sterility)
    * Measles (pneumonia, encephalitis)
    * Rubella (birth defects, miscarriages)
    * TB (lung damage, death)
    * Diphtheria (neck swelling, skin disease, death)
    * Tetanus (lockjaw, death)
    * Whooping cough (pneumonia, death)
    * Hib (previously the leading cause of bacterial meningitis)
    * Polio (we’ve all seen the effects of this on older people)

I am not totally dismissive of homoeopathy and in fact I went to college with someone who now practices as one and attended one in  Dunshaughlin as a bet with the first person. It functions as a reasonably effective placebo treatment by providing discount psychotherapy. &quot;Oh so you suffer from stomach pains. Do you worry much?&quot; etc etc etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne, vaccinations are not compulsory anywhere in Ireland. If you want to treat your child using sugar pills and water then that is your prerogative. Equally you could light a candle for them or shine coloured lights in their faces.</p>
<p>Homoeopathy has been around since the start of the 19th Century yet until the arrival of anti-biotic treatments and vaccinations in the 20th century, millions of people died from TB all over the world. In Europe, deaths from TB fell from 500 out of 100,000 in 1850 to 50 out of 100,000 by 1950. None of that fall was due to shaking vials of water diluted with water.</p>
<p>I highly recommend you read <a href="http://taint.org/2007/04/10/134819a.html" rel="nofollow">a discussion over on Justin Mason&#8217;s blog</a> where the nuts and bolts of vaccination is discussed in the context of Patricia McKenna&#8217;s recent radio appearance.</p>
<p>One loon in that discussion pointed us over to a site which dismisses BCG but is associated with a man who claims that homoeopathy cures autism. Despicable people.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested to see what &#8220;cures&#8221; and &#8220;preventions&#8221; your local homoeopath would come up with for:</p>
<p>    * Mumps (encephalitis, meningitis, sterility)<br />
    * Measles (pneumonia, encephalitis)<br />
    * Rubella (birth defects, miscarriages)<br />
    * TB (lung damage, death)<br />
    * Diphtheria (neck swelling, skin disease, death)<br />
    * Tetanus (lockjaw, death)<br />
    * Whooping cough (pneumonia, death)<br />
    * Hib (previously the leading cause of bacterial meningitis)<br />
    * Polio (we’ve all seen the effects of this on older people)</p>
<p>I am not totally dismissive of homoeopathy and in fact I went to college with someone who now practices as one and attended one in  Dunshaughlin as a bet with the first person. It functions as a reasonably effective placebo treatment by providing discount psychotherapy. &#8220;Oh so you suffer from stomach pains. Do you worry much?&#8221; etc etc etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Quentin Gargan</title>
		<link>http://conoroneill.com/2007/04/20/220-children-to-get-chest-x-rays/comment-page-1/#comment-65440</link>
		<dc:creator>Quentin Gargan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 00:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Anne,

I think the issue for Conor was that there was no choice, unless you had the resources to pay privately, or travel, or both.

I don&#039;t know if the multi-resistant version of TB can be prevented with the vaccine. New Scientist have had a run of articles on this recently, but my dial-up is acting the maggot and I can&#039;t find it right now.

I remember reading it and thinking that this is one to watch....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anne,</p>
<p>I think the issue for Conor was that there was no choice, unless you had the resources to pay privately, or travel, or both.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if the multi-resistant version of TB can be prevented with the vaccine. New Scientist have had a run of articles on this recently, but my dial-up is acting the maggot and I can&#8217;t find it right now.</p>
<p>I remember reading it and thinking that this is one to watch&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont know so much about jabbing every baby born with a BCG.  I have children and the first got every vaccine going.  With the rest of my children it became choice. What about the parents rights to treat their child homeopathically.    I&#039;m not so sure about injecting their system with drugs when they are so small.  
I&#039;m not that educated on this matter but how do we know that there isn&#039;t some other major factor causing the TB.  I have to say any time I brought my kids for any type of vaccine, there was never a problem.  In fact I sometimes was under pressure by the health service to bring my child. 
I thought the Greens would be into homeopathy and anti vaccine somehow</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont know so much about jabbing every baby born with a BCG.  I have children and the first got every vaccine going.  With the rest of my children it became choice. What about the parents rights to treat their child homeopathically.    I&#8217;m not so sure about injecting their system with drugs when they are so small.<br />
I&#8217;m not that educated on this matter but how do we know that there isn&#8217;t some other major factor causing the TB.  I have to say any time I brought my kids for any type of vaccine, there was never a problem.  In fact I sometimes was under pressure by the health service to bring my child.<br />
I thought the Greens would be into homeopathy and anti vaccine somehow</p>
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		<title>By: Quentin Gargan</title>
		<link>http://conoroneill.com/2007/04/20/220-children-to-get-chest-x-rays/comment-page-1/#comment-65367</link>
		<dc:creator>Quentin Gargan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Conor,

I had held off on commenting on this because of an instinctive reluctance to engage in the orgy of promises, but this is a common sense no-brainer. A miniscule expenditure which may save millions, not to mention the heartache, trauma and hardship for sufferers and their families. And it isn&#039;t just a finance problem, probably an administrative one in truth. There mustn&#039;t be half enough administrators in the HSE (:~p)

TB is particularly important today because multi-resistant TB is also doing the rounds spreading through the Far East at present, and this risks becoming an epidemic that leaves SARS and Bird-flu in the ha&#039;penny place. Are we ready? Doesn&#039;t look like it.

It is very easy for me as a Green candidate to say that in government we would resolve this and ensure that it never happened again, but in an election, promises are just that and people can view them as cynically as they wish. The Health Strategy, announced to great fanfare just before the last election, and dropped shortly afterwards was perhaps the most cynical of these.

I am worried that all the main parties have promised income tax cuts, and even more worried that most people seem to blandly (or selfishly) accept that this is a good idea. They have costed their promise (or &quot;commitments&quot; as they have been re-badged by some) on the basis of 7.7% growth in the financial economy (4.2% to 4.5% in real terms from FG &amp; FF respectively). The ESRI says we&#039;re not going to make those figures, so there&#039;s the get-out clause. I sincerely hope that the first thing to row back on are the tax cuts. Cutting taxes and driving economic growth are a formula for further inequality in society which ensures that the spoils of the celtic tiger are not spread around.

You seem to be on the right track with FOI requests. I am watching eagerly from the sidelines. Keep it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Conor,</p>
<p>I had held off on commenting on this because of an instinctive reluctance to engage in the orgy of promises, but this is a common sense no-brainer. A miniscule expenditure which may save millions, not to mention the heartache, trauma and hardship for sufferers and their families. And it isn&#8217;t just a finance problem, probably an administrative one in truth. There mustn&#8217;t be half enough administrators in the HSE (:~p)</p>
<p>TB is particularly important today because multi-resistant TB is also doing the rounds spreading through the Far East at present, and this risks becoming an epidemic that leaves SARS and Bird-flu in the ha&#8217;penny place. Are we ready? Doesn&#8217;t look like it.</p>
<p>It is very easy for me as a Green candidate to say that in government we would resolve this and ensure that it never happened again, but in an election, promises are just that and people can view them as cynically as they wish. The Health Strategy, announced to great fanfare just before the last election, and dropped shortly afterwards was perhaps the most cynical of these.</p>
<p>I am worried that all the main parties have promised income tax cuts, and even more worried that most people seem to blandly (or selfishly) accept that this is a good idea. They have costed their promise (or &#8220;commitments&#8221; as they have been re-badged by some) on the basis of 7.7% growth in the financial economy (4.2% to 4.5% in real terms from FG &amp; FF respectively). The ESRI says we&#8217;re not going to make those figures, so there&#8217;s the get-out clause. I sincerely hope that the first thing to row back on are the tax cuts. Cutting taxes and driving economic growth are a formula for further inequality in society which ensures that the spoils of the celtic tiger are not spread around.</p>
<p>You seem to be on the right track with FOI requests. I am watching eagerly from the sidelines. Keep it up.</p>
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		<title>By: shattered</title>
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		<dc:creator>shattered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that is a good idea. im still angry about the lack of publicity this has received, its as though nobody cares. somebody could have died!
let me know how you get on, and if i can help at all just let me know. i am feeling very helpless at the moment, its just one hospital appointment after another and no real answers to any of my questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that is a good idea. im still angry about the lack of publicity this has received, its as though nobody cares. somebody could have died!<br />
let me know how you get on, and if i can help at all just let me know. i am feeling very helpless at the moment, its just one hospital appointment after another and no real answers to any of my questions.</p>
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		<title>By: conor</title>
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		<dc:creator>conor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also going to approach this from the other side. i.e. find everyone in every party who is running in this election in all the Cork constituencies and see if they mention any time they spent on health boards or perhaps as Minister for Health And Children in 2004...........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also going to approach this from the other side. i.e. find everyone in every party who is running in this election in all the Cork constituencies and see if they mention any time they spent on health boards or perhaps as Minister for Health And Children in 2004&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: shattered</title>
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		<dc:creator>shattered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the worst thing is, if they had reintroduced the vaccine in 2004 like they were supposed to, most of the children in the toddler room who received the most exposure would have been covered. it just seems so senseless and unfair. i appreciate that you are trying to get some information conor, we have been really kept in the dark here. i just want someone to be held accountable, because if it was an individual in any other proffession putting lives at risk to save money they would be dragged through the courts and publicly shamed. 
and id like to know if that person had their own kids vaccinated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the worst thing is, if they had reintroduced the vaccine in 2004 like they were supposed to, most of the children in the toddler room who received the most exposure would have been covered. it just seems so senseless and unfair. i appreciate that you are trying to get some information conor, we have been really kept in the dark here. i just want someone to be held accountable, because if it was an individual in any other proffession putting lives at risk to save money they would be dragged through the courts and publicly shamed.<br />
and id like to know if that person had their own kids vaccinated.</p>
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		<title>By: conor</title>
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		<dc:creator>conor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am shocked that they had the opportunity in 2004 and didn&#039;t take it. One hesitation I&#039;ve had with finding out who made the original incompetent decision is that they are probably retired or dead. But the people who made that decision in 2004 are probably still in senior positions in the HSE and in politics. 

I&#039;ll have the questions under FOI up on this blog before the end of the weekend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am shocked that they had the opportunity in 2004 and didn&#8217;t take it. One hesitation I&#8217;ve had with finding out who made the original incompetent decision is that they are probably retired or dead. But the people who made that decision in 2004 are probably still in senior positions in the HSE and in politics. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have the questions under FOI up on this blog before the end of the weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: shattered</title>
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		<dc:creator>shattered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think a lot of parents are still unaware of the risk to their kids. when my daughter was receiving her vaccines as an infant i always asked the doctors afterwards if she was fully up to date and protected and the answer was always &quot;yes.&quot; thats why its such a shock now to find out that she wasnt. 
there is already a nationwide vaccination policy, the money was budgeted for in cork in 2004 to re-introduce the vaccine and somebody decided it was better spent elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think a lot of parents are still unaware of the risk to their kids. when my daughter was receiving her vaccines as an infant i always asked the doctors afterwards if she was fully up to date and protected and the answer was always &#8220;yes.&#8221; thats why its such a shock now to find out that she wasnt.<br />
there is already a nationwide vaccination policy, the money was budgeted for in cork in 2004 to re-introduce the vaccine and somebody decided it was better spent elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: elly parker</title>
		<link>http://conoroneill.com/2007/04/20/220-children-to-get-chest-x-rays/comment-page-1/#comment-64553</link>
		<dc:creator>elly parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shattered - no, I completely agree with you, but there&#039;s 2 sides to it: 1)the immediate issue, 2) the longterm solution

The longterm solution is to change to one nationwide policy to vaccinate all children born in or immigrating into the country.  I had my own BCG at 3 days old thanks to a very forward looking hospital in Co. Antrim.

In the interim, there are unvaccinated children and an outbreak of the disease.  It&#039;s up to each parent to do the math and see if it&#039;s of value to them to spend money  to resolve this risk/problem in the near future. Plus the more vaccinated children, the less likely the outbreak of any is to spread...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shattered &#8211; no, I completely agree with you, but there&#8217;s 2 sides to it: 1)the immediate issue, 2) the longterm solution</p>
<p>The longterm solution is to change to one nationwide policy to vaccinate all children born in or immigrating into the country.  I had my own BCG at 3 days old thanks to a very forward looking hospital in Co. Antrim.</p>
<p>In the interim, there are unvaccinated children and an outbreak of the disease.  It&#8217;s up to each parent to do the math and see if it&#8217;s of value to them to spend money  to resolve this risk/problem in the near future. Plus the more vaccinated children, the less likely the outbreak of any is to spread&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: conor</title>
		<link>http://conoroneill.com/2007/04/20/220-children-to-get-chest-x-rays/comment-page-1/#comment-64552</link>
		<dc:creator>conor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst this scandal isn&#039;t at the level of the Blood transfusion Service one, there is some (albeit small) possibility that it could become one. Cork could become a case study for what happens when vaccination stops!

The utter disinterest by the newspapers in this is very surprising. Surely they love bad news, particularly one which could drag politicians into a quagmire.

I saw one report, when the story was breaking, saying that &quot;levels of TB have traditionally been higher in Cork than the rest of the country&quot;. It obviously never struck that journalist to ask the simple question &quot;why?&quot;.

I&#039;m going do up a list of questions to the HSE under Freedom of Information and post them here for comment and feedback before I send. They want €15 for every enquiry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst this scandal isn&#8217;t at the level of the Blood transfusion Service one, there is some (albeit small) possibility that it could become one. Cork could become a case study for what happens when vaccination stops!</p>
<p>The utter disinterest by the newspapers in this is very surprising. Surely they love bad news, particularly one which could drag politicians into a quagmire.</p>
<p>I saw one report, when the story was breaking, saying that &#8220;levels of TB have traditionally been higher in Cork than the rest of the country&#8221;. It obviously never struck that journalist to ask the simple question &#8220;why?&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going do up a list of questions to the HSE under Freedom of Information and post them here for comment and feedback before I send. They want €15 for every enquiry!</p>
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		<title>By: shattered</title>
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		<dc:creator>shattered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thats fair enough elly but i feel you are missing the point a little. its not that we are putting a price on our kids health, its that somebody somewhere did! parents would sell the shirts off their back to protect the health of their child...but in this day and age, in this country, they shouldnt have to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thats fair enough elly but i feel you are missing the point a little. its not that we are putting a price on our kids health, its that somebody somewhere did! parents would sell the shirts off their back to protect the health of their child&#8230;but in this day and age, in this country, they shouldnt have to.</p>
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		<title>By: elly parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>elly parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me know how you get on Conor, I&#039;ll be interested to hear.  Best of luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me know how you get on Conor, I&#8217;ll be interested to hear.  Best of luck!</p>
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